Penner's Point

[Jonathan Penner]

Ok - I have come to this conclusion.

I have been framed. Kathleen IMed me this morning saying she KNOWS I voted Yul. Like wtf? How would she know? After some thinking, I think I know what's up.

Yul seems to think Ozzy is his best ally. Ozzy obviously kept Yul with the .5 vote. BUT, I think Ozzy used his nullify vote on me and then Kathleen used her double vote to make it appear that I voted Yul out. This keeps Ozzy in the clear with him and makes me look like the bad guy.

Maybe I'm stretching this a bit much...but yeah. That's what I expect.

At any rate, I'm fucked. I think at this rate I'm gone in the final six. There's no way in hell we're going to be able to get rid of JP or Kathleen. They both have idols and they're not going to split the votes between them.

[Jonathan Penner]

BIG UPDATE

URTV Big Brother (6:17:33 PM) has entered the room.
AdamxGentry (6:18:20 PM) has entered the room.
davidurtv (6:18:33 PM) has been invited.
davidurtv (6:18:36 PM) has entered the room.
davidurtv (6:18:40 PM): hihi
adamxgentry (6:19:09 PM): hey
adamxgentry (6:19:32 PM): are you deadset on voting Yul out?
davidurtv (6:19:51 PM): i did vote out yul.. but i think we can edit votes
davidurtv (6:20:02 PM): my problem is a promised becky i wouldn't vote her out this week
davidurtv (6:20:13 PM): after talking to her last night
adamxgentry (6:20:13 PM): yeah. we have to delete the post and then repost
URTV Big Brother (6:20:39 PM): this is the problem
URTV Big Brother (6:20:48 PM): I told you this already yesterday
adamxgentry (6:20:50 PM): the thing is, if we don't vote Becky... then Yul goes... and I go out during the pop challenge. Yul has the lowest score, so if he stays... he goes during the PC
URTV Big Brother (6:20:53 PM): Kathleen/Becky aren't going to split
adamxgentry (6:21:07 PM): this kills 2 birds with one stone
URTV Big Brother (6:21:08 PM): Kathleen isn't going to vote out Becky and she isn't going to vote out Animal
URTV Big Brother (6:21:14 PM): even if Becky scored low in the PC
URTV Big Brother (6:21:20 PM): Kathleen would save her over me
adamxgentry (6:21:28 PM): She went before me in the PC, i think
davidurtv (6:21:35 PM): who?
davidurtv (6:21:37 PM): kathleen?
adamxgentry (6:21:38 PM): Becky
URTV Big Brother (6:21:38 PM): Becky
davidurtv (6:21:40 PM): oh
URTV Big Brother (6:21:44 PM): Yul's gone in the PC, nobody is going to save him
davidurtv (6:21:47 PM): becky busted, lol
URTV Big Brother (6:21:54 PM): Final six will be us six + Animal
davidurtv (6:21:54 PM): but if she went before you then you are out
adamxgentry (6:22:07 PM): yeah
adamxgentry (6:22:10 PM): Yul went after me though
URTV Big Brother (6:22:14 PM): Yul went last
URTV Big Brother (6:22:16 PM): and he busted
URTV Big Brother (6:22:21 PM): he's gone in the PC if he stays
davidurtv (6:22:33 PM): i'm afraid of his prize
davidurtv (6:22:45 PM): and i'm still very skeptical about the last vote which makes me worried
URTV Big Brother (6:23:03 PM): yeah Kathleen was shady in the last vote
davidurtv (6:23:09 PM): but someone else was too
URTV Big Brother (6:23:09 PM): and she's turning against us
davidurtv (6:23:16 PM): and that's what's bothering me
davidurtv (6:23:23 PM): that no one is just saying they did it
davidurtv (6:23:24 PM): or caring
davidurtv (6:23:49 PM): there wasn't a nul vote since 10 votes were counted and kathleen still has her double pop
URTV Big Brother (6:24:16 PM): I don't know
URTV Big Brother (6:24:22 PM): but we can't just lollygag on that
URTV Big Brother (6:24:25 PM): we gotta move ahead
URTV Big Brother (6:24:27 PM): cause this could fuck us up
adamxgentry (6:24:29 PM): Flcika had a double vote too though
davidurtv (6:24:30 PM): so even though kathleen lied prevote she's being honest post vote
URTV Big Brother (6:24:36 PM): still
davidurtv (6:24:41 PM): yeah, flicka's double vote made it 10
davidurtv (6:24:44 PM): it woulda been 9
davidurtv (6:25:00 PM): there were six votes agaisnt yul
davidurtv (6:25:08 PM): becky, candice, flicka, flicka, and JP
URTV Big Brother (6:25:09 PM): I don't trust Kathleen in this stage of the game
URTV Big Brother (6:25:11 PM): Becky/JP are TIGHT
URTV Big Brother (6:25:19 PM): Becky/Kathleen are tight
URTV Big Brother (6:25:24 PM): and I highly suspect those three have a final three
URTV Big Brother (6:25:42 PM): that and the fact that JP and Kathleen both have HII's which is just fuckign scary
davidurtv (6:25:46 PM): what's your ideal final 3?
URTV Big Brother (6:25:50 PM): if we keep Becky, we're feeding her more power
URTV Big Brother (6:25:55 PM): I like the look of this right here
davidurtv (6:26:08 PM): having so many people in a game i know so many people makes it hard
URTV Big Brother (6:26:11 PM): because you have been honest with me this whole time and he's been honest with me this whole time
URTV Big Brother (6:26:21 PM): Kathleen went behind our back
URTV Big Brother (6:26:24 PM): Shadow went behind our back
davidurtv (6:26:29 PM): where does shadow fall?
URTV Big Brother (6:26:40 PM): I talked to Shadow this morning
URTV Big Brother (6:26:43 PM): he's keeping Yul
URTV Big Brother (6:26:48 PM): so it's going to tie
davidurtv (6:26:56 PM): he messaged me saying he changed his vote
URTV Big Brother (6:27:00 PM): yeah
davidurtv (6:27:05 PM): to vote out becky
URTV Big Brother (6:27:19 PM): yes
davidurtv (6:27:41 PM): this whole totem pole ideology has me shake
davidurtv (6:27:42 PM): n
davidurtv (6:27:43 PM): lol
davidurtv (6:28:01 PM): i erased my yul vote
URTV Big Brother (6:28:18 PM): us four have gotta stick together if Becky goes
URTV Big Brother (6:28:30 PM): I know you probably don't want to but Animal or Kathleen has to be blindsided next
davidurtv (6:28:56 PM): and at final 4 what happens? i've been in many situations where i get close to end and the others have me all as the target
davidurtv (6:29:03 PM): we need to flush animals HII
URTV Big Brother (6:29:10 PM): I agree
URTV Big Brother (6:29:45 PM): if it's possible we need to split the vote between them
URTV Big Brother (6:29:50 PM): but, I don't think it's going to be possible to do that
davidurtv (6:29:57 PM): we have 4 votes
davidurtv (6:29:58 PM): they have 2
davidurtv (6:30:06 PM): but i have a nul
davidurtv (6:30:12 PM): so they have 1
URTV Big Brother (6:30:13 PM): very true
davidurtv (6:30:52 PM): ugh, i hate LIEING (lol) and it makes it hard for me to cast a vote against becky
davidurtv (6:30:53 PM): -.-
URTV Big Brother (6:30:58 PM): then don't
URTV Big Brother (6:31:00 PM): throw a hinky
davidurtv (6:31:09 PM): if candice double pops it ties and yul goes
URTV Big Brother (6:31:26 PM): it's like I told Shadow
URTV Big Brother (6:31:32 PM): I am taking full responsibility for this
URTV Big Brother (6:31:53 PM): I promised Kathleen I'm voting Yul too
davidurtv (6:31:54 PM): i'm sorry i ignored you all nightjoe
davidurtv (6:31:56 PM): i was sleeping, lol
URTV Big Brother (6:31:59 PM): and I hate lying to her too
URTV Big Brother (6:32:02 PM): but, bottom line is
URTV Big Brother (6:32:05 PM): she betrayed us
URTV Big Brother (6:32:09 PM): she has no room to argue about it
URTV Big Brother (6:32:16 PM): and she knows full well her loyalty is to Becky before it is to us
davidurtv (6:32:34 PM): i have a candid question, lol
davidurtv (6:32:38 PM): and please be honest
davidurtv (6:32:45 PM): do you 2 have a final 3 deal with shadow?
URTV Big Brother (6:32:48 PM): no
adamxgentry (6:32:54 PM): we don't
davidurtv (6:33:05 PM): i assume you wouldn't with yul
URTV Big Brother (6:33:07 PM): no
davidurtv (6:33:09 PM): and now wouldn't with candice
davidurtv (6:33:10 PM): lol
URTV Big Brother (6:33:13 PM): we havent made a final three with anyone
davidurtv (6:33:57 PM): kk, cuz i don't know where i stand in the totem pole and that's why i didn't eagerly listen to vote out yul (at the time i voted the objection wasn't great)
davidurtv (6:34:04 PM): but i trust ya for sure
URTV Big Brother (6:34:39 PM): if this goes through and Kathleen is pissed, she'll be more pissed at me than anyone
URTV Big Brother (6:34:49 PM): cause I was the one that said Yul was the target in the first place
davidurtv (6:34:53 PM): i don't care about her being pissed at me
davidurtv (6:34:59 PM): it's just a game.. she'll get over it i assume
adamxgentry (6:35:28 PM): how long did it take her to get over the thing in Thailand?
adamxgentry (6:35:30 PM): lol
davidurtv (6:35:36 PM): she was over it quick
davidurtv (6:35:42 PM): she thought KC was pissed at her
davidurtv (6:35:56 PM): cuz the predicament ended up being more funny then anger causing
davidurtv (6:35:57 PM): lol

Whew. I was originally going to get him to go on Skype and just drill him, but I thought I would frighten him with my angry NY accent, lol. This worked out fine and I trust that he'll go through with this. Just gotta hope he doesn't pull any shady business.

[Jonathan Penner]

BOOM! Pulled it off and Becky's gone. Kathleen is PISSED but hey, I'm not the only one who lied. I think she's going to be more mad at David since she sees him as a closer ally. She has NO room to talk with me. She lied to me. She betrayed me. You fuck with me, I will fuck you twice as hard (Ew, that sounds bad). Becky/Candace are split up and Yul is gone anyway.

So I THINK that David trusts us and will stick with us for now. I gotta keep a watchful eye on him, but I need him in this game at the moment. It's funny, everytime I want to blindside David in any game, something happens where I need him and then towards the end I find out that he had a lot to do with it. I do think he had something to do with Kathleen's sudden attitude, but David switching is more likely than Animal switching.

This week we need David to nullify Animal's vote. Me and Shadow will vote Kathleen, David and Joe will vote Animal. It doesn't matter who Kathleen votes, but hopefully it's for Animal.

The goal is for Animal's idol to be flushed out one way or another.

[Jonathan Penner]

LOL! Becky yelling at Ozzy was class.

I told David that I would take all the blame for the TC....oops, I lied about that too. Even if I do, I don't think anyone is going to buy that I was 100% responsible. I had a reason to lie. And technically, I didn't really lie. I just said the vote was Yul. And obviously, it was. I just changed it up a bit I never made a promise on how I would vote. Ozzy on the other hand, did.

[Jonathan Penner]

This is an important convo with David from earlier

davidurtv (8:17:49 PM): that's why i didn't want to change my vote to becky
davidurtv (8:17:53 PM): lol
URTV Big Brother (8:18:11 PM): lol
URTV Big Brother (8:18:14 PM): it'll wear off soon
davidurtv (8:18:31 PM): can i tell you something and you not get mad at me or target me for it?
URTV Big Brother (8:18:36 PM): ye
URTV Big Brother (8:18:37 PM): yse
URTV Big Brother (8:18:39 PM): lsdfkjsaf
URTV Big Brother (8:18:39 PM): yes
davidurtv (8:18:40 PM): i don't want to ever lie to you about my vote and so i was to say this now
URTV Big Brother (8:18:50 PM): ok
davidurtv (8:18:58 PM): from the beginning of this game i wanted a final 4 of you, joe, me, and candice
davidurtv (8:19:16 PM): her actions concerning flicka were annoying but didn't make me change my mind from that desire
davidurtv (8:19:32 PM): so i personally have a problem voting her out this week (since JP will use idol)
davidurtv (8:19:39 PM): ^that's my concern
URTV Big Brother (8:19:55 PM): I understand that
URTV Big Brother (8:20:03 PM): this week is all determined by the IC really
URTV Big Brother (8:20:17 PM): either way JP has gotta be split with someone
davidurtv (8:20:22 PM): yup
davidurtv (8:20:48 PM): i'd prefer that someone to be shadow. shadow blabbed to flicka that i mentioned final 4 deal. shadow asked me if he could say it and i said no and he still did, lol
URTV Big Brother (8:20:59 PM): yeah
davidurtv (8:21:00 PM): plus, i still don't know who other flipper was and i trust you and joe more
URTV Big Brother (8:21:05 PM): I'm concerned with him too
URTV Big Brother (8:21:06 PM): absolutely
davidurtv (8:21:37 PM): i'm sorry for just throwing these ideas on you
davidurtv (8:21:45 PM): i didn't just say it yesterday cuz shadow was in chat
davidurtv (8:21:50 PM): and shadow seems to hate candice
davidurtv (8:21:53 PM): and it's not that i hate shadow
davidurtv (8:22:01 PM): it's just that i like to stick to my original plan
davidurtv (8:22:22 PM): if you want to throw immunity to shadow then go ahead but i don't want to lie to you about my vote so i'm giving you a heads up before everything
davidurtv (8:22:30 PM): so you can plan hwoever you need to
davidurtv (8:22:31 PM): lol
URTV Big Brother (8:22:33 PM): No I know where you're coming from
URTV Big Brother (8:22:44 PM): and I do agree with you to an extent
URTV Big Brother (8:22:51 PM): I don't want to hate Kathleen
URTV Big Brother (8:23:04 PM): and this whole sitution with Yul was a mix of me smiting her as well
URTV Big Brother (8:23:31 PM): now that the Becky link is cut, I'm not really concerned about it
URTV Big Brother (8:23:44 PM): but whether they're fighting now or not, I'm concerned about JP/Shadow now
davidurtv (8:25:29 PM): yes, me 2
davidurtv (8:25:51 PM): and i hate to target an ally but right now that's all we're left with
davidurtv (8:25:55 PM): besides JP who will use idol
davidurtv signed off at 9:11:18 PM.
davidurtv is offline and will receive your IMs when signing back in.

I hinted I wasn't going to, but after discussing this convo with Joe with both agreed we had to. Our excuse is going to be Kathleen yelling at us on the board and her general loose cannon behavior right now is concerning us.

The way JP and Candace are acting is going to be very unattractive to David, so getting him to go with us shouldn't be that hard. We plan on swooping in on him as soon as he gets on.

Of coarse, we can easily lie about it. If this week works out, it'll be Shadow, Joe, David, and me in the final four..and we'll just throw that Immunity and keep whoever wins it.

[Jonathan Penner]

David came on. This is CLASSIC David up to his old tricks again.

Series of long convos coming. I'll comment on them later cause I'm tired as hell right now.

davidurtv (1:52:35 AM) has entered the room.
URTV Big Brother (1:52:47 AM): hi
davidurtv (1:52:58 AM): hi hi
davidurtv (1:52:59 AM): what i miss?
URTV Big Brother (1:53:19 AM): a LOT
URTV Big Brother (1:53:25 AM): Animal is back to being a jerk to Shadow
davidurtv (1:53:31 AM): i just noticed a fight happening
davidurtv (1:53:38 AM): in votes thread
URTV Big Brother (1:53:40 AM): yeah
kryptonize001 (1:53:50 AM): i don't know why they're being so mean to Yul. =/
URTV Big Brother (1:54:42 AM): anyone that voted against them is evil
davidurtv (1:55:00 AM): i voted against them and neither is mean to me, lol
URTV Big Brother (1:55:05 AM): yeah
URTV Big Brother (1:55:07 AM): cause they need your vote
URTV Big Brother (1:55:08 AM): lol
kryptonize001 (1:55:11 AM): Animal called me a puppet. =/
kryptonize001 (1:55:14 AM): screw him
kryptonize001 (1:55:16 AM): lol
URTV Big Brother (1:55:22 AM): they're being bullies to everyone
davidurtv (1:55:39 AM): i'm in deep shit with jury over voting becky out
davidurtv (1:55:42 AM): where's my thank you, lol
URTV Big Brother (1:55:50 AM): I thanked you already and I'll thank you again
kryptonize001 (1:55:54 AM): Thank you
kryptonize001 (1:55:54 AM): lol
davidurtv (1:55:58 AM): yw
URTV Big Brother (1:56:02 AM): that was big of you and I appreciate it
URTV Big Brother (1:56:29 AM): are you cool with splitting the vote this week?
davidurtv (1:56:40 AM): after i see what's been going on
URTV Big Brother (1:56:44 AM): JP is using his idol 100%
davidurtv (1:56:52 AM): who won immunity?
URTV Big Brother (1:56:55 AM): Shadow
davidurtv (1:56:57 AM): oh
davidurtv (1:57:02 AM): congrats shadow
kryptonize001 (1:57:11 AM): he went to sleep, lol
davidurtv (1:57:11 AM): can i vote animal?
URTV Big Brother (1:57:15 AM): yeah
davidurtv (1:57:17 AM): kk
URTV Big Brother (1:57:27 AM): we need two Animal and two Kathleen
kryptonize001 (1:57:30 AM): me and you vote animal, shadow and KC vote Kathleen
kryptonize001 (1:57:31 AM): yeah
URTV Big Brother (1:57:34 AM): good deal
URTV Big Brother (1:59:06 AM): oh
URTV Big Brother (1:59:11 AM): and could you null JP's vote?
URTV Big Brother (1:59:13 AM): we can't have it tie
davidurtv (1:59:51 AM): so what's his face's vote was nullified?
davidurtv (1:59:54 AM): or he never voted?
davidurtv (1:59:57 AM): yul
URTV Big Brother (1:59:59 AM): ?
URTV Big Brother (2:00:04 AM): I dunno
URTV Big Brother (2:00:25 AM): they've been trying to blame me
URTV Big Brother (2:00:51 AM): I wouldn't put it past that there was a null vote in the LBoxes
URTV Big Brother (2:00:56 AM): cause there was a HII in them
davidurtv (2:01:37 AM): yeah, but HII and PCP came from boxes
davidurtv (2:01:45 AM): and cristina was out
davidurtv (2:01:51 AM): and none of us got prizes
davidurtv (2:01:58 AM): so yul would have to nul own vote
URTV Big Brother (2:03:29 AM): I dunno, we'll never figure that vote out until the end
davidurtv (2:07:13 AM): wth?
davidurtv (2:07:18 AM): i just read that fight with yu
davidurtv (2:07:19 AM): l
davidurtv (2:07:23 AM): candice is mean, lol
kryptonize001 (2:07:36 AM): i know, lol. i feel bad
davidurtv (2:09:22 AM): i still <3 kathleen though
davidurtv (2:09:27 AM): even if she isn't talking to me now, lol
davidurtv (2:11:20 AM): you sat animal out?
davidurtv (2:11:22 AM): lol
URTV Big Brother (2:11:27 AM): we had to
davidurtv (2:14:24 AM): are you going to end up hating kathleen forever?
davidurtv (2:14:28 AM): that's my fear in this game
davidurtv (2:14:31 AM):
davidurtv (2:14:36 AM): that she'll hate me forever
kryptonize001 (2:14:51 AM): i don't hate Kathleen
URTV Big Brother (2:15:13 AM): me neither
URTV Big Brother (2:15:21 AM): she'll simmer down
URTV Big Brother (2:15:29 AM): this may sound like a stretch
URTV Big Brother (2:15:36 AM): but the reason she's acting the way she is now is cause of Animal
URTV Big Brother (2:15:53 AM): cause this is the same exact way he acted when I got rid of him in AS
URTV Big Brother (2:16:13 AM): he's been in her ear caue he knows he needed to flip her
URTV Big Brother (2:16:32 AM): I wish we could just get rid of him
davidurtv (2:16:32 AM): -.-
URTV Big Brother (2:17:11 AM): he's been pissing me off, he's been bitching to Shadow all day about how you three are my puppets
kryptonize001 (2:17:21 AM): i know he's already using the HII... but we should have like... faked a convo that shadow could have shown... where we'd be like "Oh! we're so going to blindside him" or whatever, lol
URTV Big Brother (2:17:25 AM): and how stupid everyone that isn't him are
kryptonize001 (2:17:48 AM): the puppet thing really pisses me off.
URTV Big Brother (2:17:52 AM): me too
kryptonize001 (2:18:12 AM): I guess by being aligned = being a puppet. So by that logic, he'd be Flicka's puppet, no?
URTV Big Brother (2:18:22 AM): they think I'm the brains
URTV Big Brother (2:18:24 AM): but I'm not
URTV Big Brother (2:18:32 AM): we all build plans together
URTV Big Brother (2:19:12 AM): has Animal talked to you yet David?
kryptonize001 (2:19:13 AM): i agree. i don't like the way they're acting
davidurtv (2:20:59 AM): animal hasn't talked about the game
davidurtv (2:21:02 AM): besides saying he was sat out
davidurtv (2:21:08 AM): and is playing risk online
davidurtv (2:21:09 AM): lo
URTV Big Brother (2:21:40 AM): I'm kinda curious who they're voting
davidurtv (2:21:55 AM): and just to say something.. when it was decided to target flicka that wasn't a group decision. Shadow and Joe led the charge on that one, lol. i asked if i could not vote flicka and got yelled at by shadow
davidurtv (2:22:00 AM): overreaction about yelling
davidurtv (2:22:09 AM): but yeah
davidurtv (2:22:10 AM): haha
URTV Big Brother (2:22:44 AM): but you gotta admit, that was the best decision for the team. Maybe not for Kathleen but if Flicka stayed, let's face it
URTV Big Brother (2:22:49 AM): that would have been the demise
URTV Big Brother (2:23:00 AM): me or Joe would have been gone last TC
davidurtv (2:23:03 AM): well, it was a failed decision
davidurtv (2:23:12 AM): it succeeded cuzza lucky boxes
davidurtv (2:23:13 AM): haha
davidurtv (2:23:20 AM): all it did was alienate our group
URTV Big Brother (2:23:35 AM): I don't think so
URTV Big Brother (2:23:41 AM): Kathleen had intentions of leaving us
URTV Big Brother (2:23:43 AM): and she did
URTV Big Brother (2:23:54 AM): I think she would have whether we went against Flicka or not
davidurtv (2:26:51 AM): i spoke to kathleen about it and she told me she voted yul out because she <3's flicka more than yul
davidurtv (2:26:59 AM): that was my same reasoning with becky vs yul
davidurtv (2:27:05 AM): i decided to change cuz one of us was in danger
davidurtv (2:27:18 AM): kathleen went as far as to show me her DR where she wanted final 4 of us
URTV Big Brother (2:27:37 AM): this is the problem with Kathleeln though
URTV Big Brother (2:27:40 AM): she doesn't think about these things
URTV Big Brother (2:27:48 AM): she did this in All-Stars too with Shii
davidurtv (2:27:50 AM): and as i see it even if she did vote out flicka that time she would have been lied to about the becky/yul split
kryptonize001 (2:28:28 AM): no she wouldn't have... because we would trust her more
URTV Big Brother (2:28:28 AM): I wouldn't have lied to her the way I did
URTV Big Brother (2:28:44 AM): I lied delibritly about Becky outta spite
davidurtv (2:29:08 AM): she noticed though she said in the chat
kryptonize001 (2:29:09 AM): She obviously didn't care that I was going to go out in the PC
davidurtv (2:29:15 AM): because she was ms excludee after that
davidurtv (2:29:28 AM): she voted the night before
davidurtv (2:29:29 AM): with me
davidurtv (2:29:36 AM): she was at work the whole next day
davidurtv (2:29:40 AM): lol
kryptonize001 (2:29:56 AM): yeah. but she knows I would have went out and she's still starting all the drama tonight
URTV Big Brother (2:30:18 AM): I didn't curse her out or anything and she told me to shut thef uck up
davidurtv (2:30:53 AM): lol
davidurtv (2:30:59 AM): i didn't know either
davidurtv (2:31:05 AM): she voted before me
davidurtv (2:31:11 AM): i voted becky cuz i didn't want to lie to her
davidurtv (2:32:06 AM): i don't mean to be an ass
davidurtv (2:32:14 AM): but i'm defending her character.. cuz i don't want any of us hating her
URTV Big Brother (2:32:25 AM): trust me, I don't hate her
URTV Big Brother (2:32:37 AM): at this point it's mostly a game decision why I want her out
kryptonize001 (2:32:57 AM): yeah. it's hard when it comes down to final 6 and it's with people who are all friends
davidurtv (2:33:06 AM): flicka didn't seem like a game decision and that's why i don't blame her for flipping
URTV Big Brother (2:33:10 AM): and some of it is admittaly personal, but that's because I don't think the tensions that we have right now are going to be repaired inside the game
davidurtv (2:33:10 AM): i mean, it can be claimed it was
davidurtv (2:33:14 AM): but i didn't feel it was
URTV Big Brother (2:33:16 AM): it was a game decision
URTV Big Brother (2:33:19 AM): Flicka is a VERY strong player
URTV Big Brother (2:33:24 AM): and slips through cracks very easily
kryptonize001 (2:33:33 AM): she said multiple times she was coming after us
davidurtv (2:33:41 AM): when shadow and joe led the charge it didn't seem like a game decision
davidurtv (2:33:43 AM): it seemed personal
davidurtv (2:33:51 AM): i remember kathleen not answering in the chata
URTV Big Brother (2:33:52 AM): that and the fact that she had a pool of allies with JP, Becky, possibly Candace
URTV Big Brother (2:34:10 AM): Kathleen shouldn't even need to have an explanation about it
kryptonize001 (2:34:14 AM): um.. no. it was not a personal decision. everyone had told me that Flicka was coming after me.
URTV Big Brother (2:34:19 AM): she played two games with her and knows how good of a player she is
URTV Big Brother (2:34:21 AM): that's bullshit
davidurtv (2:34:54 AM): flicka could have turned things on us with sekou
davidurtv (2:34:59 AM): she could have rallied the troops
davidurtv (2:35:05 AM): when they had numbers
davidurtv (2:35:09 AM): she'd have the allies you say
davidurtv (2:35:15 AM): + sekou by just blabbing
davidurtv (2:35:17 AM): and she didn't
davidurtv (2:35:23 AM): so i don't buy that she was a huge threat
URTV Big Brother (2:35:29 AM): ok fine
URTV Big Brother (2:35:30 AM): don't
kryptonize001 (2:35:41 AM): okay... so say we didn't take Flicka out.. and we voted out Yul (who was pretty much with us)... then what would have happened after that?
kryptonize001 (2:35:46 AM): Flicka/JP come after us
kryptonize001 (2:36:04 AM): would come*
davidurtv (2:36:09 AM): then we could have voted out becky
davidurtv (2:36:12 AM): then flicka
kryptonize001 (2:36:28 AM): Becky/Flicka were together
davidurtv (2:36:29 AM): i hate turning on people i know before that's all that's left in the game
kryptonize001 (2:37:02 AM): Do you think Flicka was not after me?
davidurtv (2:37:26 AM): not yet
davidurtv (2:37:32 AM): i hadn't seen her done a thing against you
davidurtv (2:37:32 AM): lol
kryptonize001 (2:37:51 AM): um... she pretty much outed our whole alliance and told Shadow that she wanted us out weeks ago
URTV Big Brother (2:37:52 AM): she fucking eliminated us in that PC
URTV Big Brother (2:38:00 AM): I was out the door had it not been for Shadow
davidurtv (2:38:12 AM): yeah, but they simmered after that i thought
davidurtv (2:38:16 AM): i thought we were all cool
URTV Big Brother (2:38:18 AM): no, they held it against us
davidurtv (2:38:19 AM): even had a chat with animal
URTV Big Brother (2:38:27 AM): Animal is full of fucking shit
davidurtv (2:38:34 AM): i never saw the outcome of them holding it against you
davidurtv (2:38:37 AM): i spoke to flicka (meow)
davidurtv (2:38:41 AM): and she was completely cool
kryptonize001 (2:38:49 AM): i don't believe her for a second.
URTV Big Brother (2:38:49 AM): they wanted to flip you, man
davidurtv (2:38:49 AM): so i didn't feel it
URTV Big Brother (2:38:54 AM): it's all game
URTV Big Brother (2:38:57 AM): they want you on their side
kryptonize001 (2:39:12 AM): she was coming after us. She wouldn't go after Becky, she wouldn't go after Kathleen, she wouldn't go after JP
URTV Big Brother (2:39:14 AM): that's why they haven't yelled at you once
kryptonize001 (2:39:16 AM): that leaves us + Yul
URTV Big Brother (2:39:18 AM): even though you voted Becky out with us, hell
URTV Big Brother (2:39:21 AM): you were the reason she's gone
URTV Big Brother (2:39:29 AM): and you haven't got yelled at by anyone excpet Becky
URTV Big Brother (2:39:34 AM): yet Joe, myself, and Shadow are the assholes
URTV Big Brother (2:39:41 AM): it's all ass kissing
davidurtv (2:40:01 AM): i told candice when i changed my vote
davidurtv (2:40:05 AM): and i told her why
davidurtv (2:40:11 AM): that's why i'm not being attacked
davidurtv (2:40:28 AM): she's still not talking to me
davidurtv (2:40:35 AM): but i'm avoiding the insults
davidurtv (2:40:56 AM): heh, i'm just clearing up thigns now
davidurtv (2:41:04 AM): not trying to annoy you
davidurtv (2:41:08 AM): lol
URTV Big Brother (2:42:10 AM): we've been plenty annoyed enough today, believ eme
davidurtv (2:42:18 AM): i missed it all
davidurtv (2:42:24 AM): i was at cousin's getting a little drunk
davidurtv (2:42:41 AM): but then i decided to stop after 4th beer so it never really developed
davidurtv (2:44:20 AM): can i vote already?
davidurtv (2:44:35 AM): i want to vote out animal now before i like talk to him
davidurtv (2:44:53 AM): cuz i've never had to vote him out
davidurtv (2:44:58 AM): or a real ally before
davidurtv (2:44:59 AM): -.-
URTV Big Brother (2:45:51 AM): I know you hate doing this but if you're legit about us making it it to the promised land, this has to go off this week
davidurtv (2:55:49 AM) has left the room.
davidurtv (2:56:26 AM) has entered the room.
davidurtv (2:56:30 AM): got disconnected
URTV Big Brother (2:57:04 AM): hi
davidurtv (2:57:05 AM): JunSong04 (12:56:36 AM): hey david
davidurtv (12:56:40 AM): ??
davidurtv (12:56:42 AM): hi
JunSong04 (12:56:42 AM): sorry to be annoying but
JunSong04 (12:56:51 AM): do you know what the votes are going to be in popcook?
davidurtv (2:57:33 AM):
davidurtv (2:58:08 AM): she claims she wasn't ignoring me -.-
davidurtv (2:58:11 AM): i PM'd her
davidurtv (2:58:14 AM): no reply
URTV Big Brother (2:58:20 AM): ah, the fun part
davidurtv (2:58:30 AM): i'm not going to answer her
davidurtv (2:58:32 AM): cuz i don't want to lie
URTV Big Brother (2:58:46 AM): just say your vote
URTV Big Brother (2:58:49 AM): you don't have to lie
davidurtv (2:59:06 AM): she says she's voting out animal 2
davidurtv (2:59:18 AM): -.-
URTV Big Brother (2:59:34 AM): wtf
URTV Big Brother (2:59:35 AM): really?
davidurtv (2:59:49 AM): JunSong04 (12:57:00 AM): I am thinking of voting out animal =/
davidurtv (12:57:12 AM): i thought you were ignoring me
davidurtv (12:57:27 AM): i've been IMing you and you ignoring me
URTV Big Brother (2:59:54 AM): perfect
URTV Big Brother (2:59:58 AM): plan would go perfectly if she did that
URTV Big Brother (3:00:09 AM): cause then it would 3-2
URTV Big Brother (3:00:21 AM): JP goes, if he has the idol, she goes
URTV Big Brother (3:00:28 AM): well, if he uses it
davidurtv (3:01:02 AM): JunSong04 (1:00:26 AM): oh
JunSong04 (1:00:29 AM): ugh i hope its not me
davidurtv (3:01:43 AM): davidurtv (1:01:17 AM): iunno. i came on and saw you all fighting... are you okay with them?
JunSong04 (1:01:31 AM): i wasnt even fighting with them
JunSong04 (1:01:38 AM): i just responded and i know
davidurtv (3:01:52 AM): JunSong04 (1:01:44 AM): that one of them voted flicka out and is lying
davidurtv (3:02:16 AM): davidurtv (1:01:59 AM): didn't yul say his vote will nulled or something?
JunSong04 (1:02:03 AM): which is annoying like christina producing music
davidurtv (1:02:06 AM): that fight made me sad
davidurtv (1:02:09 AM): i just want everyone happy
davidurtv (3:02:48 AM): -.-
davidurtv (3:02:51 AM): she refuses to believe it
davidurtv (3:04:16 AM): davidurtv (1:03:40 AM): are you close to JP?
davidurtv (1:03:48 AM): i thought you were since you flipped for flicka
JunSong04 (1:04:04 AM): I didn't flip for flicka
davidurtv (3:04:22 AM): -.-
davidurtv (3:04:24 AM): yes she did
davidurtv (3:04:35 AM): JunSong04 (1:04:11 AM): I didn't think my vote would of caused this much trouble
JunSong04 (1:04:17 AM): and they dont even speak to me anymore which is quite sade
JunSong04 (1:04:20 AM): sad
kryptonize001 (3:04:54 AM): i tried to talk to her earlier
kryptonize001 (3:04:59 AM): but she didn't respond
davidurtv (3:05:17 AM): davidurtv (1:05:05 AM): well, you've been kind of ignoring us
davidurtv (1:05:11 AM): i tried talking to you and you wouldn't respond
davidurtv (3:05:33 AM): JunSong04 (1:05:17 AM): um
JunSong04 (1:05:24 AM): well I admit i ignored you
davidurtv (3:05:57 AM): davidurtv (1:05:36 AM):
JunSong04 (1:05:36 AM): but the others have not attempted to talk to me at all
JunSong04 (1:05:49 AM): plus they are offline lol
kryptonize001 (3:06:14 AM): that's a lie.
kryptonize001 (3:06:20 AM): i tried talking to her earlier today
kryptonize001 (3:06:22 AM): about BBZ
davidurtv (3:06:37 AM): maybe the offline thing was about it
davidurtv (3:06:42 AM): you have been invisi for a few days
davidurtv (3:06:57 AM): though she was ignoring i think
URTV Big Brother (3:07:41 AM): yeah well
URTV Big Brother (3:07:47 AM): last time I talked to her after something like this happened
URTV Big Brother (3:07:49 AM): she uttered hte words
URTV Big Brother (3:07:51 AM): "don't talk to me"
davidurtv (3:07:53 AM): lol
davidurtv (3:08:13 AM): i don't <3 this drama
URTV Big Brother (3:08:18 AM): you and me both
davidurtv (3:08:39 AM): it seems like whenever i go away and sign back on in cook i come back to an explosion of drama
davidurtv (3:08:56 AM): why did kathleen decide to give such backlash today randomly?
davidurtv (3:09:06 AM): she's just been quiet since the becky vote
URTV Big Brother (3:09:17 AM): Animal
davidurtv (3:10:04 AM): is it okay if i try tricking animal into using his idol on candice?
URTV Big Brother (3:10:19 AM): I don't think you can do that
davidurtv (3:10:28 AM): animal told me he tried using idol on becky
davidurtv (3:10:39 AM): but IM'd probst too late
davidurtv (3:10:45 AM): it was right when votes were going up
davidurtv (3:10:52 AM): probst posted then responded "too late"
URTV Big Brother (3:11:06 AM): oh
URTV Big Brother (3:11:06 AM): well
URTV Big Brother (3:11:12 AM): if it's possible, go for it
URTV Big Brother (3:11:21 AM): I'd rather he go then she go
davidurtv (3:11:23 AM): since tribal isn't up yet i'll do it tomorrow
URTV Big Brother (3:11:33 AM): but
URTV Big Brother (3:11:39 AM): you're going to have to deal with an angry animal
davidurtv (3:12:04 AM): fuck animal, lol
davidurtv (3:12:18 AM): i'm going to tell him that since he has idol we're going to vote out candice
URTV Big Brother (3:13:11 AM): if you nullify will he know?
URTV Big Brother (3:13:16 AM): I mean until TC?
URTV Big Brother (3:13:24 AM): or will he know right away like the IC?
davidurtv (3:13:56 AM): i think it's known right away
davidurtv (3:14:02 AM): but i'll pm roddy
davidurtv (3:15:00 AM): heh. another question.

when i use it does the person know right away or is revealed at tribal council?
davidurtv (3:15:03 AM): is that good?
URTV Big Brother (3:15:15 AM): good to go
davidurtv (3:15:26 AM): kk, PMd

URTV Big Brother (1:54:06 AM): I wasn't originally going to throw it to Shadow but JP/Kathleen were starting shit and me & Joe agreed to let him have it before it started
davidurtv (2:47:29 AM): i don't like the odds of shadow still being in the game. i do trust you and joe
davidurtv (2:47:35 AM): but not when it comes to end deals, lol
URTV Big Brother (2:48:33 AM): I'm having a hard time trusting you after all this too
davidurtv (2:48:45 AM): lol
davidurtv (2:49:02 AM): my reaction is based on the clearly thrown immunity
davidurtv (2:49:05 AM):
URTV Big Brother (2:49:13 AM): I already told you why I did
URTV Big Brother (2:49:25 AM): You admitted you wanted Shadow out which I was fine with up until a point
davidurtv (2:49:25 AM): oh, i didn't see you tell me
davidurtv (2:49:26 AM): haha
URTV Big Brother (2:49:37 AM): when Kathleen and Animal started acting like babies, I didn't want to deal with this
URTV Big Brother (2:49:46 AM): I just wanted to end it
davidurtv (2:49:50 AM): oh, you did say that
davidurtv (2:49:54 AM): i didn't register it
davidurtv (2:50:24 AM): i'm 100% going to vote out animal this week
URTV Big Brother (2:50:36 AM): what about the null?
davidurtv (2:50:48 AM): who am i supposed to use it on?
URTV Big Brother (2:50:50 AM): JP
davidurtv (2:51:08 AM): ugh, i forgot i have to nul, lol
davidurtv (2:51:18 AM): i wanted to keep it to final 5
davidurtv (2:51:22 AM): but i see i have to
URTV Big Brother (2:51:23 AM): because what's going to happen if you don't null
davidurtv (2:51:27 AM): is a tie
davidurtv (2:51:29 AM): and a challenge
URTV Big Brother (2:51:30 AM): three way
URTV Big Brother (2:51:32 AM): and I could go
URTV Big Brother (2:51:35 AM): cause they're def voting me
davidurtv (2:51:50 AM): yeah -.-

[Jonathan Penner]

Forgot to comment on this.

Anyway me and Joe were both on the verge of throwing up about how David was talking. The dude was making no sense. Flicka's elimination was strictly personal? WTF? Yeah a lot of it was but it certainly wasn't all personal - it was strategic because she was coming after us you dope. And if you think she wasn't, you're retarded. She was. She outted us to everyone in the game and got the likes of Brad and Sekou untrusting of us.

Whatever the case he DID vote and nullify just how we wanted, he even copy and pasted right after. So hopefully this goes to plan. However, I still am a bit weary that there could be some sort of power or something that's going to fuck this up. I don't know. I'm highly expecting to leave.

[Jonathan Penner]

Bye.

[Jonathan Penner]

Seriously, this jury is the worst pack of panty-sniffing-cock-stroking morons I ever seen. I mean seirously. PRE-ALLIANCE! PRE-ALLIANCE! JONATHAN HAD A PRE-ALLIANCE! GO JP YOU'RE SUCH AN UNDERDOG!

Uh, hey motherfuckers, JP had a pre-alliance, and at that, a BIGGER one than I did. So take your fucking pre-alliance taunts and shove them up your ass you dumbnuts.

Joe has pretty much no chance at winning. Shadow & him need to make final three with Ozzy if they want even a CHANCE at winning. Animal and Kathleen are celebrities. OMG SUCH UNDERDAWGS! Shut the fuck up.

[Jonathan Penner]

-.-